BTW, I went to Carolina Baptist College, Reidsville, NC, (Reidsville Baptist Church, Pastor Jerry Carter,) 1998-2002. Sorted by: 1. Great emphasis is placed on the literal interpretation of the Bible as the primary method of Bible study. When the baby bit, she pulled hair (an alternative has to be sought for baldheaded babies). By David J. Stewart. Most of us have seen situations in the workplace, or in our families, in which whistleblowers were despised and cast out for telling the truth about a situation that threatened people within the group. They really spend too much time debating. You love passionately, deeply and inexorably. All first-time comments are moderated. In 1638, he founded the first Baptist church in America in uncolonized Rhode Island. If, after putting him down, you remember he just woke up, do not reward his complaining by allowing him to get up. And when you cant question your leaders, weve seen it in politics, you know what happens. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings. I am still a very committed Christian, but I was thankfully out of the IFB world once I left for college (a secular university). Educating children at home or in IFB K-12 schools is necessary in order to protect them from the knowledge and ways of a fallen and corrupt world. They preferred to remain ignorant of evidence suggesting that something in the air around the plant was giving them cancer. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. Both times, people knew about his would-be abusers behavior and did nothing to stop it. As media eagerly services our culture's tendency toward increasingly polarized divisions, it's helpful to remember that 72.7 percent of Americans are Christians who are not IFB. The beliefs are mainly Baptist and fundamentalist. You have left them now to themselves, and stepped into your own world. To question the sovereignty of the pastor is to disturb God's order and invite upon oneself separation from the church, and therefore from the very source of salvation and hope. They didn't give over their will over to God. They repented and were restored..every like 6 mo. Hope you have a good day. This is especially important, since the pastor needs his bodyguard detail rotated every so often. Yelling, storytelling, and moralism replaced proclaiming simply what God has said. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. And in a real and important sense you will always love them. You know that I am Independent. No compromise. It started as part of the Northern Baptist convention but, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, split away to join the Conservative Baptists. although it is rushed and depends on the persons' response. But if you think most of the people in your church would do that, or stand by those who did, your optimism is unwarranted. . Later that afternoon, thou shalt go to work. They didn't sacrifice who they were. We may read these stories of sexual abuse in churches, and tell ourselves that if something like that happened in our church, we would stand up for what is right. Baptists are one of the few religious groups whose adherents dispute their own beginnings. Landmarkism began as a movement in the mid-1800's mainly in the Southern Baptist Convention. KJV was the only Bible in English, and that is the stand I intend to die on. IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. Trieber took his glasses off. Look at homosexuality within the priesthood. Oh my. Thou shalt wear the sweatshirts & caps of your favorite basketball team; they are only evil & worldly if you choose to go to college there. Toledo, Maumee, Bowling Green, Lima, Findlay all relatively large communities. Thou shalt not drive a nice car for that is vanity and takes money from the missionaries who need airplanes and new tin roofs, and food out of the fat visiting evangelists bellies (unless your the man of god, then you can drive a Suburban or a $95k brand new F350). However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. Oh, did I mention we were homeschooled and socially retarded. Dreherlives in Baton Rouge, La. If they really loved God they would have loved you and everyone else in a manner befitting that love: properly, carefully, consistently. Thus the words "Independent" and "Fundamental . Ernest Willis found guilty of raping teen Tina Anderson, a fellow church member. Jessop is a former member of the FLDS (fundamentalist, polygamist Mormons) and her story has a lot of parallels with Zichterman's. I haven't read this particular FLDS memoir . Firstly, I agree with Dr. John R. Rice (1895-1980) that there's no such thing as "The Baptist Church." The Body of Christ is composed of believers from Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist and numerous other Christian denominations. 5.) That will needs to be eliminated, since wherever human will is God's will cannot be. Human nature is a destructive force. Because its in human nature, for one, and for another, because the clergy have an extraordinary amount of power (real and symbolic) within the ecclesiology of both churches. I know that they are KJV only and Arminian. I've been looking for a church that does baptisms and a church up the road does them. Some of the best godly preachers like Jonathan Edwards and Charles Haddon Spurgeon were Baptists. This list sounds alot like the Mennonite Church rule book. The King James Version is the only true Word of God; all other translations of the Bible are the work of the devil. If I do Ill comment on this comment with details. The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. Its been the M.O. Having studied this group in particular, he provides some excellent background: The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. Answer (1 of 7): >> Why are Baptist Churches so legalistic? Okay I'd like to say I am a fundamental Baptist and I am attending a local Baptist church, yes that's the name of this site. Or are you judging them by Gods word, which likely looks unfavorably on you? Praise god amen we were unharmed.except for being fucked mentally for years. I escaped when I was about 20 and went to the world. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. The short answer is that going to the movies supported Hollywood. It surrenders far too much to allow that fundamental refers to the core doctrines of the Christian faith. The fundamentals of fundamentalists are mainly not that at all, but rather a host of relatively recent doctrinal innovations, such as inerrancy. I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . Feel free to add your own additions to the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rule Book. , I was brought up in evangelical churches which clung to much of this dogma. Additionally, many independent Baptist fundamentalists practice "second-degree separatism," distancing themselves not only from "the world" but also from fellow Christians who do not share. My wife did not waste time finding a cure. Fritts' church is affiliated with The New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement and is listed along with 29 others on the movement's website, which explicitly states that it is not a denomination. They kept what they wanted. Finally, now, it's time for you to dance to your own song. That is their unforgiveable sin. ? 1 2 3. Today, the independents are separating, even among themselves, over issues such as Bible translations, music style, and dress. He alone is allowed to change his mind. Here are some quotes from the book: Wake up to the day's most important news. This will of course be true with any large group of people. The church I grew up in dwelt somewhere in that space. This is the Christianity of millions of North Americans. See where Im going with this? Are you saying Paul and Jesus are legalists? What the fuck is YOUR problem?? Grace alone. I pray for all of you. If you spend any time covering sexual abuse story, any belief that congregations are never complicit in abuse and cover-up goes evaporates quickly. Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) For a woman to be pleasing to God she must always and in all things remain perfectly submissive, first to her father and then to her husband. However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. Fundies forget that God can do a sudden I have changed my mind crazy Ivan on them at any moment. After I graduated from that school I didnt wear a skirt for 2 years at my secular university! And if they failed to treat that greatest of gifts with the sacrosanct respect it deserves, then shame on them. The writings that I've read from former IFBs are some of the strongest testimonies to the strength and decency of the human spirit I've ever come across. Men alone are suited to be the head of home and church. Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) Pastors think if they keep it on the down-low, it wont impact anyone. In Christ alone. If you need to flag this entry as abusive. They sent their kids to Bob Jones and Pensacola the only choices permitted to them. This past summer, amid new stories of Catholic sex abuse, the Evangelical magazine Worldcautioned its readers not to make the mistake of thinking that it cannot and does not happen in Protestant churches. The pastor, Jack Trieber, dressed in a yellow tie and matching pocket square, reached into his pocket to put on his glasses before reading a statement that allegations of inappropriate conduct had been made against Giovanelli. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. For the sake of consistency in training, you must follow through. Don't hold it against me. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram has done some very impressive and important reporting in its long special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country. A few members of that church were hard-core, old-school fundies. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. I appreciate being asked to offer you guys a word of support, but you should be offering support to me and anyone else lucky enough to hear what you have to say. Unlike the Catholic Church, the fundamental Baptist church considers itself to be made up of independent entities. They try to control people and do evangelize. And because of your trusting love for them, you let them. Addendum: Thousand shalt not even THINK about piercing ANYTHING below the waste! 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Dont Dress Like a Whore if You Dont Want to Get Sexually Assaulted Says Lori Alexander, Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager, Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman, Thou shalt obey your parents at all times, Thou shalt obey the police and government unless the pastor says it is a sin against God to do so, Thou shalt give a faith promise missionary offering, Thou give an offering any time the pastor says God is saying to collect a special offering, Thou shalt attend church every time the doors are open, Thou shalt pray for every meal, but ice cream at Dairy Queen after church requires no prayer, Thou shalt only use the King James Bible 1611 edition which is really the 1769 revision, Thou shalt only use the Scofield King James Bible, Thou shalt not have long hair (over your ears, collar) if you are a man, Thou shalt not have a block cut hairstyle if you are a man, Thou shalt not have facial hair if you are a man, but if you are a woman you can have facial hair, Thou shalt not have tattoos unless you have prison tats from your life before Christ, Thou shalt not take the hem out of your Levi jeans or alter your clothing in any way so that you look worldly, Thou shalt not wear pants (britches) if you are a woman, Thou shalt not wear shorts, but a woman can wear Baptist shorts also known as culottes, Thou shalt not expose any flesh if you are a woman, especially your thighs, breasts, or back, Thou shalt only wear dresses with hemlines below the knees if you are a woman, Thou shalt not have any physical contact with the opposite sex if you are unmarried, Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear if you are a woman, Thou shalt not pierce any body part except your ear, and then only if you are a woman, Thou shalt not watch TV, but if you are a carnal Christian and must watch TV thou shalt only watch, Thou shalt not go to the movie theater, but using streaming services is okay, Thou shalt always have tracts in your shirt pocket or purse, ready to evangelize at a moments notice, Thou shalt drive a car with church advertising stickers, IFB cliches, or Bible verses attached to the bumper, Thou shalt park down the street when visiting the local strip club or whore house lest the pastor know you are there and stay away, Thou shalt not listen to secular music, especially rock music, which is from the pit of hell, Thou shalt not listen to contemporary Christian music (CCM), Thou shalt not drink fermented alcohol after all, Jesus drank Welchs grape juice, Thou shalt not cuss, but saying darn, shoot, crap, freaking, and fudge are okay, Thou shalt not date non-Independent Baptist girls or boys, Thou shalt not have any non-Independent Baptist friends, Thou shalt home school your children or send them to a Christian school, Thou shalt only read pastor-approved Christian books, Thou shalt only believe what the pastor says you are to believe, Thou shalt say you have victory over sin, even if you are lying, Thou shalt adhere to the perception is reality rule, Thou shalt send your kids to the same Christian college the pastor went to, Thou shalt leave the church if you commit adultery, get a divorce, or get pregnant outside of marriage, Thou shalt believe everything the pastor says even when you are certain he is lying, speaking evangelistically, or embellishing his illustrations, Thou shalt wear a bra if you are a woman, and it can only be a white, underwire bra, Thou shalt not mix bathe (Baptist for swimming with the opposite sex), Thou shalt not go to amusement parks unless the youth group is going, Thou shalt not show emotion unless praising Jesus from 10:00 am to noon on Sunday or giving a testimony during Sunday evening service, Thou shalt say AMEN during at the appropriate time during the pastors sermon, especially when he shouts, pounds the pulpit, or performs gymnastics, Thou shalt not be angry even though the pastor is allowed to be angry, but thats because his anger is righteous anger, Thou shalt be for what the pastor is for and against what the pastor is against, because if you dont, a bear might come out of the woods and eat you, Thou shalt ignore any science that contradicts the Bible, Thou shalt never try to fix your own problems because the pastor is the official fixer of all problems, Thou shalt takes notes on the sermon even if the rabbit wanders five miles off the trail or the sermon is incoherent, Thou shalt always tell the pastor what a wonderful sermon he preached, even when you have no idea what he was talking about, Thou shalt always tell Sister Bertha what a wonderful job she did with her off-key rendition of, Thou shalt not use canned (taped) music for music specials. Fundamental. Thou shalt take your wife out to lunch on Friday afternoon; this is your allotted time with her. I got a good laugh reading the list brought back some not so good memories from my time in a IFB church. They didn't sink deep enough. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church, as found in the New Testament. a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest, Todays Psychology Cant Help American Men. IFB takes the "I" in its title extremely seriously; they are nothing if not independent. But what of the grouch who would rather complain than sleep? Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country, Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse, Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamentalist BaptistChurches, Slavery and 'how to interpret the Bible' (cont'd.). SPECIAL: Prayer Changes Your Brain in 4 Amazing Ways 1. You trusted. That space between he describes as the world of Jerry Falwell has grown over the years. A bit later can you guess where this is going? The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. Select your instrument according to the child's size. You're the strength. The Bible has plenty in it of rules, and I doubt someone who believes in a burning hell forever can really get a supposed love message across. Part of HuffPost Religion. I was rejected by two independent fundamentalist Baptist congregations in two different states, but I stand in their defense. The Bible is filled with rules that have everything to do with salvation. July 20, 2020 News Division. The Black Baptist preachers affiliated with the SBC aren't proclaiming a Black Jesus, railing against white racism, or demanding reparations from white Baptists. (The mind of an 18 year old girl that had been sort of bad with many boys in high school, shame on me) Apr 26, 2017. What a list! And screw 'em if they do. (3) Megachurch leaders face the ordinary temptations but also extraordinary pressure to cover up problems, knowing that a sniff of scandal will summon packs of critical reporters.